From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Git to manage your Emacs changes Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87aaswaf2t.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4A1FFF2C-5794-4D58-B26B-07CD7FC0BB74@gmail.com> <83d3xs4jw5.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbn2a7fk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <877hnwj2ft.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87vdbghcgy.fsf@notengoamigos.org> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272141238 28217 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2010 20:33:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, tzz@lifelogs.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, david.reitter@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Jason Earl Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 24 22:33:54 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m2z-0003Qa-6k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:33:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m2y-0006Mb-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m2u-0006MW-4l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39131 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m2s-0006MO-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m2r-00069n-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:38516) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m2r-00069j-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:45 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m2n-00057H-Ki; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:33:41 -0400 In-reply-to: <87vdbghcgy.fsf@notengoamigos.org> (message from Jason Earl on Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:33:49 -0600) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124181 Archived-At: Bazaar has this marked as a bug (wishlist), but they are essentially waiting for someone to come up with a way to make texinfo documentation from their existing rst documentation. In fact, it could easily be argued that they are moving farther away from texinfo as they have moved from simply requiring docutils to requiring the more complicated sphinx documentation build system. That is a pitty. My question, and I ask this as a person whose one small contribution to GNU is that I helped (a bit) with the conversion of the Emacs repo from CVS to bzr, is why pretend that Bazaar is part of the GNU project when the GNU developers (and systems administrators) seem to overwhelmingly prefer git? Worse, they are actively trying to undermine Bazaar, including long discussions on how to circumvent Bazaar on this very list. There is nothing to pretend, bazaar is part of the GNU project, whether people like it or not. Alot of freedom is left up to the maintainers as to how they maintain their projects; and as such the emacs maintainers decided to on bazaar. Take Guile as a counter example, GDB uses Python instead of Guile, does this make GDB any less part of the GNU project? Ofcourse not. Complaining about the topic is not going to solve anything. If savannah doesn't support the prefered method for bazaar someone should step up and fix the issue, Sylvain Beucler is just about the only person working on Savannah, and he needs help.