From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265373992 22056 80.91.229.12 (5 Feb 2010 12:46:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, grishka@gmx.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 13:46:28 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NdNZS-00084E-RX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:46:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45825 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdNZS-000358-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NdNYY-0002hA-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:45:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58952 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdNYY-0002go-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:45:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdNYN-00069o-2h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:45:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:37669) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdNYM-00069h-7d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NdNYL-0000b8-Q0; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:44:53 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Juanma Barranquero on Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:06:13 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120937 Archived-At: Then, it would be more reasonable to spend time and energy discussing why or how do we try to make it more ethical, instead of alienating people by confusing the terminology, which is both already in place, and correct. To influence people we need to present arguments, and we do. We also need to choose our words to frame the issues in the right way, and we do that too. "Ecosystem" frames the issue according to an outlook that disagrees with ours, so we don't use it. The fact that other people use it is no reason we should. Perhaps they disagree with our basic outlook. They have a right to their views, but it makes no sense for us to use terms which promote their outlook.