From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265204169 21585 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2010 13:36:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grishka@gmx.de, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 14:35:57 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NcfOe-000314-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:35:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NcfOd-00064b-TE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:35:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NcfNc-0005E6-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42219 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NcfNb-0005De-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NcfNY-0006vb-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40196) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NcfNY-0006vF-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:48 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NcfNW-0008Cx-MA; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:34:46 -0500 In-reply-to: <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120853 Archived-At: > This is a paradox -- an appearance of contradiction that comes from > a misunderstanding. But the misunderstanding is yours. I chose not to cast blame for it; I tried to point out the shift of topic in a way that didn't criticize anyone. It is clear that the shift came from you. Your message was a response to mine, and it shifted the topic subject in the way I described -- from whether we are amoral, to whether others are. However, I am not trying to castigate you for that. Your message claimed to show a contradiction in the free software philosophy, but my aim is not to counterattack, only to show there is no contradiction. Of course it's not. But taking a moral stance does not imply taking *your* moral stance. This particular moral stance is that of the free software movement and the GNU Project. This project is based on that stance. You are entitled to your own views, of course. No, it doesn't, because it doesn't explain why you refuse to use a single word, "ecosystem", that emphasizes the existence of variety (including but not restricted to variety of moral stances) and the behavioral interactions that entails. People distribute and use software in a variety of ways; that is the present situation. We say some are good and some are bad. Our goal is to put an end to the one that are bad. The term "ecosystem" is unhelpful for this goal because it implies a nonjudgmental approach to that variety, and our whole purpose is based on judging them.