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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Autoload from a web page?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:23:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1NRpig-0004pt-H8@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a51001031826x71d6afbdv736779618fdeff8d@mail.gmail.com> (message from Lennart Borgman on Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:26:45 +0100)

    I have added an optional pause in the download where the user may
    check the file before it is byte compiled and used.

That is rather vague, so I don't know exactly what you mean.  Judging
from what you've said, a "chance to check the file" is insufficient to
make it easy for users to install and run edited versions.  So this
autoloading is still harmful.

    Some people argued that downloading files as you need them is not
    useful. I think it can be. If something like this was used for ELPA

The idea of an ELPA is just theoretical at this point, but if we have
one, "autoloading from the net" won't be allowed in it unless you
convince me to approve it.  You won't convince me unless you show me
you understand and care about the issue I am concerned about.

    then different people could depend on each others files.

If that is desirable technically (which is far from clear; it could be
unmodular), there are other ways to do it.  Packages in Debian depend
on other packages and they don't autoload from the net.

But even if it turned out that autoloading gave some advantage, that
isn't a major factor in a decision this important.  A minor
convenience is insignificant compared with the community harm that
this could do.

You are trying to rush us into a major policy change which is
potentially dangerous.  We will not be rushed.  Please slow down!

Please take this change out of your distribution sources, pause for a
week, and then post a clear explanation of what you are proposing now,
so that I can have a chance to see what its consequences could be.









  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-04 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-26  2:55 Autoload from a web page? Lennart Borgman
2009-12-27  3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-27  3:24   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-28 18:48     ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-28 18:55       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  1:32         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29  1:39           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  2:45         ` joakim
2009-12-29  2:54           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29  4:52             ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 22:25               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-30  6:13                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-30 18:06                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2009-12-30 18:30                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 19:10                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01  0:40                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:27                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-01 19:26                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-04 18:12                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 15:11           ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 18:46             ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 21:14               ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo (was: Autoload from a web page?) Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:21                 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-29 21:38                   ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:36                 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-30 16:15                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-31  5:32                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:18                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-03  5:38                       ` Integrating package.el (was Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo) Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-04 17:55                         ` Integrating package.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-04 19:51                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05  5:02                             ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05  5:37                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-05 15:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 16:03                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:47                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 20:18                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:50                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-06 20:45                                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-06 21:49                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-09  5:40                                       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-09 14:32                                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-09 17:47                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 10:41                                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-10 11:33                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-10 14:04                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-10 16:00                                                   ` joakim
2010-01-10 20:43                                                     ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 20:07                                                   ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 21:24                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-10 23:02                                                       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-11  3:28                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14  3:12                                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 11:40                                                         ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 17:17                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-02-22 19:22                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-22 20:36                                                             ` joakim
2010-02-23 22:25                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-24 21:20                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-25 20:05                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:59                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:32                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:14                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 20:59                                                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 17:39                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-02 18:46                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:19                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-02 13:34                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:37                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 22:18                                                                       ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 22:30                                                                         ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 23:00                                                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 13:38                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 20:13                                                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-04  5:42                                                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-02 19:03                                                                       ` Davis Herring
2010-02-25 22:56                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-03-04  5:39                                                             ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04  7:29                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 18:27                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05  4:41                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 13:54                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:29                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-04 18:33                                                                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-07 22:58                                                                   ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 20:39                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-07 23:16                                                                 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-08  3:17                                                                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-08 14:55                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-08 17:01                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-08 17:53                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:30                                                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-05  0:22                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:43                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:26                                                             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:28                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 18:06                                                                 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-01 21:22                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-03 20:15                                                                     ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-03 20:22                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 22:21                                                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-02 13:31                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:09                                                                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-11  3:09                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-12 20:06                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-12 21:37                                           ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 15:50                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:42                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 17:51                                 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:43                                   ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 22:28                                     ` Gnus encouragement of GMail (was: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus)) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 17:27                               ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Reiner Steib
2010-01-05 18:03                               ` Integrating package.el Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 18:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:14                               ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 20:04                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:19                                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-06 15:42                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 17:16                   ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 19:21                     ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29  5:22         ` Autoload from a web page? Richard Stallman
2009-12-29  5:29           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-02 15:45             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-04  2:26               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-04 16:23                 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2009-12-29 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 16:30   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 16:58     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 17:08       ` Lennart Borgman

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