From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <874ooq8xay.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <20091119141852.GC1720@muc.de> <20091119155848.GB1314@muc.de> <87aayiihe9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20091119180848.GE1314@muc.de> <47325.130.55.118.19.1258658705.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <20091119212550.GG1314@muc.de> <87my2ign8u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258844134 6092 80.91.229.12 (21 Nov 2009 22:55:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 21 23:55:27 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NByrV-0007pV-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:55:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52240 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NByrV-00039V-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:55:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NByp1-00021g-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NByow-0001zM-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33468 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NByow-0001zC-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:45607) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NByov-0008Gs-To for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:46 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NByov-0002hv-JR; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:52:45 -0500 In-reply-to: <87my2ign8u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:31:45 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117473 Archived-At: > Why couldn't Emacs have simply displayed the character as "ñ"? Because there is no character with a byte representation of 241. You are apparently demanding that Emacs display this "wild byte" as if it were really encoded in latin-1. Latin-1 or Unicode. The Unicode code point for ñ is 241. (aref "ñ" 0) returns 241, which is 361 in octal. So if there is a character \361, it seems that ought to be the same as ñ. Basically, it isn't clear that \361 is a byte rather than a character, and what difference that ought to make, and what you should do if you want to turn it from a byte into a character.