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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Cc: ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:10:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1MRFUw-0001fh-MZ@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp)

     > There are two reasons.  First, its primary source is maintained
     > outside of Emacs.

    I don't see how that's a reason not to use the perfectly good Message
    mode that is a part of Emacs.

Someone asked me why I see this as a problem, and I explained why.
You may not see it as a problem, but the point is that I do.

    It seems to me that both Gnus and Emacs would benefit from you
    pow-wowing with Miles Bader and anybody else who works on Gnus-Emacs
    integration, and make the points about refactoring and maintainability
    to them.

I would like to see progress in this direction, and I am willing to do
a certain amount of work to help it.  However, at present I have
nothing to specific suggest, because I know very little about the code
of Gnus.  Its complexity has discouraged me from looking at it except
in cases of need.

On a few occasions I have looked at part of Gnus.  Each time what I
encountered was daunting complexity, each part interacting with many
other parts.  I tried my best to reduce the amount of code I had to
look at.

I don't know how many other parts of Gnus are comparable to rfc2047.el
in that they are useful general facilities and ought to be made
separate and modular.  If Gnus developers are interested in doing work
to make these files modular, I'm interested in looking for candidates.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-01 19:47 Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 19:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05  0:06   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 21:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 15:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:04       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 10:11           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-13 12:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 13:10                 ` Leo
2009-07-14 13:52                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-15 16:45                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:18                     ` Frank Schmitt
2009-07-16  4:42                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-16  5:19                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-16 14:30                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 16:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 18:17                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 12:20                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19  0:55                           ` Mike Kupfer
2009-07-16  1:10                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2009-07-16  5:30                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19  4:37                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 14:45                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 13:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-17 18:05                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-18 17:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 19:15                             ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19  4:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  5:30                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26                                       ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57                                   ` Kevin Ryde
2009-07-18 17:11                           ` Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 16:17                 ` Jonathan Rockway
2009-07-14 18:33                 ` Bastien
2009-07-14 18:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  1:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 22:39     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 15:05       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07  9:43         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-01 23:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 19:21   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03  2:37     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03  7:44       ` message-mode / mail-mode (was: Sending attachments) Teemu Likonen
2009-07-03  8:43         ` message-mode / mail-mode Miles Bader
2009-07-03  8:55           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03  9:07           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-05 21:40           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  6:45             ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-02  1:01 ` Sending attachments Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-02 13:39   ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 14:33     ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-02 16:40     ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 22:52       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 14:39         ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-04 15:19         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-02 17:26     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 13:47       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 14:21         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 21:41           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:05             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-06 16:07               ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 12:19                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08  0:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08  9:46                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 18:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:36                           ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 11:41                       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 13:41                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:16                           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 14:27                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:40                               ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 15:09                               ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09  2:47                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-09 11:54                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:43                                 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-10  6:39                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10  9:02                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-10 11:01                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-10 11:55                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-11 18:30                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 12:42                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-11 18:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10  9:17                                     ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 19:07                         ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:47                           ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-08 19:08                       ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-07 12:48                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-06 16:16               ` Glenn Morris
2009-07-07 10:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 17:37         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 22:52           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 15:11             ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-04 15:54               ` Leo
2009-07-05 14:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  1:12                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07  3:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  4:54                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 19:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 18:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 20:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  9:43                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-07 10:11                     ` Richard Riley
2009-07-07 13:53                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08  0:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 13:29                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-11 19:02                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 21:51             ` Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 14:21       ` Sending attachments Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-04 15:33         ` Chad Brown
2009-07-04 15:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-04 17:08             ` Chad Brown
2009-07-05 10:18               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05  1:40             ` Daniel Pittman
2009-07-05  2:39             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05  3:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  3:44                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06  3:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06  3:50                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06  4:54                           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35                               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07  0:59                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07  9:43                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08  0:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  6:37                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06  7:47                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  5:57                             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12  3:05                             ` Leo
2009-07-12  3:10                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15  9:35                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44                                 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  8:01               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05  8:30                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 20:05         ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2009-07-05 20:22           ` Alfred M. Szmidt

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