From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:12:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1M930w-0005Tr-7D@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a50905260508o3e4bfcbfyd19aca6f1eac2c57@mail.gmail.com> (message from Lennart Borgman on Tue, 26 May 2009 14:08:38 +0200)
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> I disagree with Eli that defaults are "only" defaults: they're
> the settings we impose on new users, and are critically
> important. If they're bad defaults, they could irritate and
> exasperate users for months or years before those users
> eventually change them. (C-n adding new lines onto the ends of
> files (which was the default in Emacs <= 20) springs to mind
> here).
I guess new users will in most cases appreciate the change (since
it makes Emacs behave more like other editing environments), but
old timers will a bit more often dislike it.
Guessing is something everyone can do; instead a poll is a better
measurement of what users, new and old will like or dislike.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-26 20:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14 0:06 ` garyo
2009-05-14 8:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14 9:37 ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15 3:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15 4:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29 ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15 2:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 8:05 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 0:53 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 1:03 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25 1:59 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:34 ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29 ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01 2:33 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 9:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 7:24 ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36 ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-12 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13 0:19 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 1:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 8:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 8:10 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 3:48 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 0:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 0:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 8:35 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 2:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 9:29 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 0:13 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23 ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29 4:39 ` rms
2009-05-26 9:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2009-05-25 8:17 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 6:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42 ` David Reitter
[not found] ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58 ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42 ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54 ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27 2:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17 ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14 ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20 ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15 5:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-15 7:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15 7:40 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 7:58 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16 6:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
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