From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: C-n and C-a Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233239721 18372 80.91.229.12 (29 Jan 2009 14:35:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 29 15:36:35 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LSY0K-000724-2T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:36:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38793 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSXz1-0000Aa-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:35:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSXxr-0007gz-BY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:33:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSXxq-0007fr-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:33:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37912 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSXxq-0007fX-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:33:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:35939) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LSXxp-0002zK-U6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:33:54 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LSXwC-0001K2-VZ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:32:13 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108357 Archived-At: The new definitions of C-n and C-p seem to work reasonably conveniently with the very long lines that non-Emacs-users often write. However, it is very counterintuitive that C-a and C-e have not been changed in the same way. They keep surprising me, and I have to work hard to remember not to use them to do the natural thing. I think they too should be changed to operate on screen lines; that's a necessary part of the change that was already made. If C-a and C-e are changed this way, we would want some way to go to the beginning and end of the real line. Here are some ideas: * Make C-u C-a and C-u C-e do this. I suspect nobody uses those combinations with their current meanings. * Make M-{ and M-} treat each line as a paragraph. That would be the right thing for them to do in such text. This would require either a minor mode or detecting long-line text heuristically. What do others think?