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From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
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Subject: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:30:57 +0100
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Please make line-move-visual nil, it is totally uninutive to have the
point move to the same line, when you explicitly told it to move to
the next line.

It also breaks keyboard macros, since now you have no idea if you end
up on a new line, or on the same line but at a different column.

I know that it is pre-test time, but this behaviour is simply stupid
and doesn't make any sense.