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From: Richard M Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:27:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1LHn3H-0000gH-U8@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zlies8wo.fsf@xemacs.org> (stephen@xemacs.org)

    I used to agree with you, but The Kids These Days (ie, those who have
    grown up with WIMPy interfaces) think of a window as a (foreground)
    process.  If the window goes away, the process stops.

But that is generally false.  If you iconify a window, the application
continues working -- you just don't see what it displays.  For
instance, if you iconify a terminal, the processes running in it do
not stop.

    In particular, on a GUI the difference between a kill -STOP'ed emacs
    and one with no visible windows is hardly important to the user, who
    must do something unusual to resurrect it.

To de-iconify the Emacs frame just requires moving the mouse to the
icon, or to the tab in the bar at the bottom of the screen, and
clicking.  I don't think that is unusual.

      So the "withdraw frame"
    function (which happens to be called `suspend-frame') just keeps
    withdrawing frames, and when the last one is withdrawn, emacs goes to
    sleep.

It doesn't go to sleep.  If it was waiting for a command, it continues
waiting and there is no easy way for it to receive one.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-30 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-27 18:23 Terminology in multi-tty primitives Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  1:00 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28  4:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  4:28     ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 19:43         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-29  5:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-29 19:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-29 22:09         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-30  2:18           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-30 22:26             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  2:20                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31  3:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  4:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31  6:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 18:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:39                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 21:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:55                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 22:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 23:03                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 16:38                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 17:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 19:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-01 17:13                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-02 13:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-03  2:32                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-03  9:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04  3:14                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-04  3:29                                 ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-04  3:41                                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-04  4:54                                     ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-30 22:27             ` Richard M Stallman [this message]
2008-12-31  5:31               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31  6:28                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  8:33                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31 14:18                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-31 15:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-28 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-28 19:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-30 19:53   ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-27 18:16 Eli Zaretskii

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