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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Don Armstrong <don@donarmstrong.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug tracker breaks rmail-next-same-subject
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:41:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1LBKS0-0007mx-K1@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081212235751.GK24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> (message from Don Armstrong on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:57:51 -0800)

> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:57:51 -0800
> From: Don Armstrong <don@donarmstrong.com>
> 
> So follow threads instead of subjects. I don't use Rmail, so I can't
> tell you how to get it to do that.

There is no such functionality in Rmail, so the only way is to code
it first.

> > As long as there are loads of broken MUAs, using the Subject line
> > will always be more reliable than references. Until now.
> 
> No, it's always less reliable. You can use the Subject: as a fallback
> when you don't have References: or In-Reply-To:, but Subject: doesn't
> tell you which message a message is in response to, nor how to elide a
> subthread, or any of a huge number of things you can do with threads
> that aren't possible when you "group" by subject.

You are talking about treating email as news group discussions.  I
don't need to go that far; if I did, I'd probably switch to Gnus.

All I want is to find the messages related to a certain subject.  I
don't care much to build a tree-like structure out of them, because
the body of the messages has that information, and that is normally
enough for my needs.

> > > If you want to follow a thread, References: and In-Reply-To: are
> > > the way to do that; Subject: may approximate it, but it's never as
> > > accurate.
> > 
> > What other use cases will break it? Until now, I didn't see any.
> 
> Any time someone changes the subject, or uses a method of quoting that
> doesn't keep it intact.

Well, I have yet to find such cases, then.

Anyway, we are repeating ourselves.  It is quite clear that you don't
see a problem in what the tracker does, while I do, because it
interferes with the way I'm used to read mail for many years.  I guess
we will have to agree to disagree on that.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-13  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-12 12:44 Bug tracker breaks rmail-next-same-subject Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-12 19:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 23:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-12 21:47 ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-12 23:03   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-12 23:25     ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-12 23:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-12 23:57         ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-13  2:41           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2008-12-13  9:42             ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-13 22:58               ` Glenn Morris
2008-12-13 23:14                 ` Bugs against emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Don Armstrong
2008-12-13 23:33                   ` Glenn Morris
2008-12-14  0:23                     ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-14  3:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-14  8:06                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-14 10:13                         ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-14 20:53                           ` Glenn Morris
2008-12-14 21:27                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-17  5:39                             ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-17 16:10                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-18  7:43                                 ` Don Armstrong
2008-12-18 21:46                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-14  8:14                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-14  2:50                     ` Stefan Monnier

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