From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219977851 23214 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 02:44:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 04:45:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYtyx-0001WW-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:45:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48625 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYtxx-0003Yn-Pi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:44:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYtxJ-0003B2-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:43:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYtxH-0003AD-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:43:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35195 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYtxH-0003A8-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:43:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:45312) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYtxH-0005k8-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:43:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KYtvm-0003iL-FG; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:41:46 -0400 In-reply-to: (joakim@verona.se) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103125 Archived-At: - Merge CEDET, and improve it so great IDE functionality can be had fairly easily - Merge ECB so IDE like code browsing tools becomes available I am in favor of these goals. - Make it possible to write more beautiful elisp. I'm not a lisp expert but even I find it painful that writing recursive functions is made hard due to the lack of tail-optimization. It should be fun to code elisp. Yes and no. To make tail-recursion work would be nice. However, USING it in the code of Emacs could be a bad thing, because it often makes the code harder to understand. All in all, it is better to write a loop. - provide different levels of chrome out of the box. One skin would be bling-bling with all facilities enabled, transparent windows etc, and another one would be monk mode with nearly nothing. I am for it if users like it.