From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:16:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <87tzdn7sar.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <87ej4r7mft.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48A63044.2000700@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218960360 25630 80.91.229.12 (17 Aug 2008 08:06:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, ams@gnu.org, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 17 10:06:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KUdHi-0003Rj-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:06:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45355 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KUdGl-000091-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KUdFu-0008CQ-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:04:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KUdFm-00087L-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37947 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KUdFm-000874-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:59045) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KUdFl-0000Qq-Vj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KUcVN-0006Xs-FT; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:16:49 -0400 In-reply-to: <48A63044.2000700@gmail.com> (lennart.borgman@gmail.com) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102548 Archived-At: We were talking about why people keep using Windows. Why Windows became successful is a tangent, which I don't want to take up. So I will only comment on a couple of things you said about the free software community. - The advertising campaign from MS said to the user "you should decide what programs you have on your pc". Very smart. If you tried to tell users that there are better programs (there were!) then you just had to face that the user "wanted to decide". - The free software world in my opinion did exactly the opposite. It said to the users "we know what is best for you" (because we are smarter). The whole free software world did not say one single thing. That is not what the GNU Project says. Which part are you talking about? It could be that some people said that. But I don't know that it is true. Without specifics, we cannot draw any conclusions. - First ms focused on GUI aspects and usability. When I read messages from experts at ms on this subject I often found the messages surprisingly good. It looked to my like they did take it seriously - and that really requires much thought. We have had to play catch-up in GUIs just as we did in the lower levels of the system. When Windows appeared, we did not even have a complete working command line system.