From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <20080815140413.GA4781@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218883466 26714 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2008 10:44:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 16 12:45:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KUJHV-0007vW-AT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:45:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KUJGY-00018C-O9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:44:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KUJE9-00089X-2n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:41:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KUJE7-00088H-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42962 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KUJE7-000887-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:50600) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KUJE7-0008Bv-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KUJCt-0003fS-VL; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:40:28 -0400 In-reply-to: <20080815140413.GA4781@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:04:13 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102525 Archived-At: Your word "endorsing" is one of those flexible, vague, open-ended words that could mean almost anything. Do these other people actually campaign against software freedom? Do they actually say "freedom is unimportant", rather than just not mentioning it much? Many of them do. Occasionally they directly oppose the ideals of software freedom; Torvalds has done so. More often, they do not explicitly address the issue, but they say things which implicitly assert that the most important values are powerful, reliable, convenient software and that non-free software is acceptable. I think it's more important for people actually to be free than to be aware of it. What I've learned is that people tend not remain free for long unless they appreciate freedom and defend it.