From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216757280 29454 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 20:08:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thorne@timbral.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 22:08:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLO9v-0006d3-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:08:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56429 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLO91-0003rD-St for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLO8K-0003Yf-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLO8I-0003XJ-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54235 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLO8H-0003XB-Nh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:48555) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLO8H-0006tD-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:49 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KLO7Z-00037Q-7D; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:05 -0400 In-reply-to: <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> (message from Jason Rumney on Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:16:59 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101241 Archived-At: > I presented (in this thread I believe) some of my > arguments about why to care about w32 too in my reply to > RMS about a portable mini-bash. I might be wrong, my > arguments might be bad, but I tried to give some > arguments. > > I don't know much about it, but isn't that what MinGW is > supposed to provide? I think Lennart's suggestion is about a having a small POSIX shell that can be bundled with Emacs (and other programs) to use on systems that do not have a POSIX shell by default. MinGW/MSYS is an external dependency which means an extra thing to go wrong for users. I do think this idea presents a chicken and egg problem though - the shell is needed by configure, but will not be available until it has been built by a bootstrap. Exactly, wouldn't it be just easier to request the user to install whatever POSIX shell that is required in INSTALL or similar?