From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216695023 25190 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 02:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Johannes Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 04:51:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KL7y2-000740-Gp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:51:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KL7x9-0004Y6-DY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:50:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL7w6-0004Eu-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL7w4-0004ET-OI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40160 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KL7w4-0004EQ-Fj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:40992) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KL7w4-0002uH-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KL7vM-0003vd-PO; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:48:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> (message from Johannes Weiner on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:29:17 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101151 Archived-At: > Actually no. It seems to be a criticism of something. > Perhaps Autoconf, or perhaps not -- I have no way to tell. autoconf, automake, and so on. Actually, I heard people referring to the whole generation of configure scripts and Makefiles as `autohell'. Yes, it's ovbiously a criticism. Then it is a vague and nonconstructive one. Please stick to constructive comments if you want to be helpful. > If you are talking about Autoconf, then you've misunderstood what this > issue is about. It is not about using Autoconf. It is about > implementing the interface specified in the GNU Coding Standards. > Let's please stick to the topic. Which means using the auto tools, be realistic. Who writes configure scripts manually? It is easy to write a configure script that is just a wrapper for some other configuration mechanism.