From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard M Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807091202rd3b6521jc9fa45d321bc9d37@mail.gmail.com> <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111205k4a13f462jc21881c8558c517b@mail.gmail.com> <85vdzbr0uz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85r69znhlz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85mykmktfe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216033633 17328 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 11:07:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 13:08:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KILuQ-0003ZJ-Ob for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:07:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51821 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KILtY-0002aF-J5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KILse-0002Jc-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:06:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KILsd-0002J7-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:06:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42436 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KILsd-0002J0-H2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:06:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:33010) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KILsc-00075B-SJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:06:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KILs6-0008WK-Bz; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:34 -0400 In-reply-to: <85mykmktfe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:46:45 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100673 Archived-At: I think you are missing my point. Those people likely to be on our side are probably not best recruited by pontification and patronization. Aside from your namecalling, you have missed my point. If we talk about using Windows as if to take for granted that it's ok, we influence people by our silence. We can even influence ourselves that way. Every so often it is necessary to recall this, so as to prevent that negative influence. Mentioning this issue can also be useful to educate people who use Emacs for practical reasons only, and are not in the habit of thinking about the issue of their own freedom as software users.