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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What exactly is chinese-big5?
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:28:08 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1JmolE-0005ZC-06@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u4p9zr314.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:16:39 +0300)

In article <u4p9zr314.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > In Emacs 22, you can read the written file by utf-8 and
> > search for U+FFFD.

> Is U+FFFD the _only_ character that will be produced for any codepoint
> that is unassigned in the Big5 code space?  That is, if I search for
> U+FFFD, will I find _all_ the places where the original file had
> something not belonging to Big5?

No exactly.  U+FFFD is the only character that will be
produced for "any character that can't be unified with
Unicode".  Which Big5 character can unified with Unicode is
defined in subst-big5.el in Emacs 22 (I don't know which
Big5 version Dave used to make that file) and in
etc/charsets/BIG5.map in Emacs 23.  So, if the dialect of
Big5 is different from what defined in those files, there's
a possibility that some character which the file creater
thinks Big5 is encoded into U+FFFD.

> Also, assuming that I find one or more invalid characters, is there
> some encoding other than chinese-big5 that I should try, which could
> explain those problematic characters, besides those I mentioned in my
> original message?  This file came from Chinese speaking people, so
> there's little doubt it should include only strings that can be read
> by Chinese speakers.  Therefore, I wonder how come it does not
> translate cleanly into Unicode.  (I cannot ask the people who produced
> the file about these issues, since they seem to be pretty ignorant
> about that: they claimed the file was in UTF-8...)

That file may be GBK whose code-space is similar to but
wider than Big5.  But, it's supported only in Emacs 23.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@ni.aist.go.jp




  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-18 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-17 11:15 What exactly is chinese-big5? Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-18  1:32 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-04-18  8:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-18 11:28     ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2008-04-18 12:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-18 13:37         ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-18 15:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-18 13:26       ` Jason Rumney

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