From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; M-( and M-) should not be bound in ESC map Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207832199 20255 80.91.229.12 (10 Apr 2008 12:56:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 10 14:57:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjwJo-00033Z-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:55:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjwJA-0006ae-Nc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjwJ5-0006Zy-P5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjwJ2-0006Yg-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjwJ2-0006YX-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjwJ1-0003ZA-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjwJ0-0001WK-Q3; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:06 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:32:25 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94867 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21955 Archived-At: > This is is not a good idea. `insert-parentheses' and > `move-past-close-and-reindent' should be bound only for programming > modes for which they actually make sense. Inserting pairs of parentheses makes sense pretty much everywhere. Yes. And error messages that a beginner doesn't totally understand can happen in many ways in Emacs. I think this change is too much just to eliminate a few cases of them. Leaving well enough alone seems best to me. People are proposing lots of changes in long-settled aspects of Emacs, and I think this is a bad habit. Each such proposal leads to a long discussion, which takes up lots of people's time. And usually it doesn't achieve anything.