From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080325213859.GB1641@muc.de> <20080331211245.GA5911@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207104880 24005 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2008 02:54:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 02 04:55:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jgt82-0003tl-F0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:55:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgt7Q-0000pz-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:54:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgt6x-0000gN-UG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:54:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgt6w-0000ff-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgt6w-0000fb-6B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgt6v-00011R-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgt6t-0002uC-QV; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:53:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <20080331211245.GA5911@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:12:45 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94164 Archived-At: > Making Emacs easier to learn is an improvement, in general. But what > use is there in having a different Emacs configuration which is easier > to learn, if it is not the recommended mode of use? It is useful if it makes it easier to get to the final result, getting there in two stages rather than going straight there - a bit like first teaching skiers to turn by skidding their skis on the snow, to give them confidence, then in the advanced classes getting them to edge their skis and get proper carved turns. I am skeptical that it will work this way. I think that most people will learn the easy-to-learn version and stop there.