From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shift-movement selection Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87d4q8sq9c.fsf@jurta.org> <8763w0n393.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <871w6ounk0.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87ablacdxt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87skyzzeng.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205267345 13715 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2008 20:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, storm@cua.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 21:29:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZB6H-00080Y-MO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:29:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZB5j-0005Eb-2v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:28:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZB2Z-0002os-DR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZB2X-0002no-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZB2X-0002nj-PV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZB2X-00067Z-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JZB2W-0000DA-GY; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:25:36 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:40:25 -0400) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92191 Archived-At: so cursor motion commands such as C-f would still not normally deactivate the mark, except when the mark was activated by a shifted key. This is the desired behavior. I doubt that such a broad change is good. Also, it is rather painful to implement, since there are dozens of cursor motion commands, if not hundreds. Lots of modes have their own motion commands. I think the only reliable way to implement that feature--if we want it--is to do it in the main loop, after the command returns, if it has moved point. But that hard-wires the meaning of non-shift, which is very non-Emacs-y.