From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803081926.m28JQnGK005206@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803082003.m28K36km022429@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87ejak3hrt.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <200803090027.m290Runt016854@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205081040 26978 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 16:44:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@gnu.org, schwab@suse.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 17:44:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYOdO-0002Ua-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:44:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOcq-0004Tx-Pl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:43:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZC-0002WU-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZA-0002Up-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYOZA-0002UO-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYOZA-0003d1-4M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JYOZ9-0006r9-7V; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:40:03 -0400 In-reply-to: <200803090027.m290Runt016854@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (message from Dan Nicolaescu on Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:27:55 -0800) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91887 Archived-At: The fact that you need to type C-j instead of RET when creating a buffer does not seem such a huge imposition, it if makes selecting buffers much easier for everyone else (assuming we don't find a better solution). I agree that typing C-j instead of RET for this case is not hard. It is, however, a complication. If you know how to use the minibuffer, you can use the ordinary C-x b command to do whatever you like. The iswitchb interface doesn't show you that you should use C-j for this. I don't buy that "power user" argument. It is not dissimilar to the UI that you get nowadays when typing a URL in a browser. It doesn't look anything like a file browser window. iswitchb output is cryptic and short. That is convenient for the people who like it, but does not help beginners understand, as a file browser window does. Perhaps if you say what is unclear, then it can be improved, or something better can be developed. The problem is fundamental, and I don't think it can be fixed without making iswitchb inconvenient for the people who like it.