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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, jeremy@jeremyms.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MAINTAINERS file
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:17:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1JYB6M-0001z6-Li@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7ccd24b0803070050h57ec5a6fj9eca6cebf418de34@mail.gmail.com> (lekktu@gmail.com)

    >  The GNU Project is not just a collection of software packages.  Its
    >  intended result is a coherent operating system.  It is particularly
    >  important therefore that GNU packages should work well with other GNU
    >  packages.

    By that reasoning, we all should try using GNU/Hurd, shouldn't we?

If the Hurd were ready for general use, then I would ask everyone
to try it, for that reason.  But it isn't.

That has nothing to do with the case at hand.  You're exaggerating
what I said, then criticizing your exaggeration.  That is just a straw
man.  It is not useful.

    >  The maintainers of one GNU package should use other GNU packages so
    >  they will notice whether the packages work well together, and make
    >  them work well together.

    Perhaps. But if git were used by 90% of users, and Bazaar by 5%

So what?  The decision I've made is for the real situation.

However, but your hypothetical world is relevant in one way: we want
to avoid letting it happen.  By making Emacs support Bzr as well as
possible, and by using Bzr and saying so, we will encourage other
projects to use Bzr, and thus give it a better chance not to end up
with 5%.

    >  Other people don't necessarily see which editor you use,
    >  but they all see what dVCS you use.

    That would be more convincing if every GNU package except by Emacs
    were using Bazaar. Is that so?

You're the one trying to convince me.  I'm just explaining.

You argument seems to say that the GNU Project should never
establish a new convention and ask projects to follow it,
because no package should ever be asked first.


We already know the most important thing about what we will find from
a careful study of git, mercurial and Bzr.  We will find that each has
its advantages and disadvantages -- but none of them conclusive.  Each
will be preferred by some people, but any one of them would work out
well enough.

The best thing to do is to choose the one that is the GNU package is
easier, and get the decision over with.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-09  2:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-28 23:51 MAINTAINERS file Nick Roberts
2008-02-29  6:57 ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29  7:05   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-29  9:57     ` Andreas Röhler
2008-02-29 10:30     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:25     ` Bastien
2008-02-29 11:32       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:50         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-29 11:56           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 12:05             ` Bastien
2008-02-29 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:53       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-01  1:00     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-02-29  8:05   ` Glenn Morris
2008-02-29 11:21   ` Nick Roberts
2008-02-29 22:34     ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:28       ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-01  6:28       ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-01  9:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 15:52         ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-01 19:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 23:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 21:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-02 21:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03  3:20       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-03  4:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 12:55       ` Romain Francoise
2008-03-03 13:44         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 15:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 15:23             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 16:51           ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-03 17:01             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:32               ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 18:16                 ` Leo
2008-03-03 21:58                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:07                   ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 22:10                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:35                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:55                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:57                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:13             ` paul r
2008-03-04  0:56               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04  2:09                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-04 17:37                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04 18:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 22:18                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-05 21:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 22:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:33                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 17:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:21                               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 18:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 20:14                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-06 21:21                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  0:10                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:10                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:09                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  2:25                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05  0:17                   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-05  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  3:11                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05  8:02                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-05 23:07                       ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06  8:33                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-06 19:09                           ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06 19:19                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 12:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-04 13:56                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 18:41                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 20:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-04 20:28                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 22:48                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-05 16:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  3:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  8:50                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  9:20                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07 10:27                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07 18:47                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:35                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  2:27                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:59                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  3:06                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  1:43                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 12:43                                           ` Davi Leal
2008-03-09 20:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 16:39                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-03-07 16:47                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2008-03-09 23:34                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  8:15                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10  9:11                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  9:23                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10 11:50                                         ` Harsha
2008-03-10 12:05                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-11 13:41                                             ` Walter Franzini
2008-03-10 15:19                                         ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-03-11  9:24                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  9:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09  2:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 19:07                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-05  9:45                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 21:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 17:22             ` Bastien
2008-03-03 15:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 16:29       ` merging Emacs.app (was Re: MAINTAINERS file) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-03 21:38         ` merging Emacs.app Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  5:04           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 12:38             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-05 16:05               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  0:58                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-06  4:03                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:16                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-07  3:20                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:43                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08  3:46                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  5:13                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08 16:58                             ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 17:14                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:46                               ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 18:34                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:59                                   ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 22:01                                     ` The Aquamacs fork (was Re: merging Emacs.app) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:40                                 ` merging Emacs.app David Kastrup
2008-03-09 10:05                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:14                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:27                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 14:30                                     ` David Reitter
2008-03-10  0:19                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 10:06                   ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 10:48                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 14:09                       ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 15:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 18:26       ` MAINTAINERS file Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 21:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 23:03           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 12:10           ` Bastien
2008-03-09  1:00             ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  2:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03  2:14   ` Chong Yidong

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