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* position on changing defaults?
@ 2008-03-05  6:37 Dan Nicolaescu
  2008-03-05  7:02 ` Miles Bader
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  0 siblings, 5 replies; 256+ messages in thread
From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2008-03-05  6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier, Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel


Hi,

It would be interesting to know the new maintainers opinion on changing
some of the current default settings.

One type of changes would be to make emacs more similar to other current
desktop applications.

Another type would be to provide more functionality by default.

It seems that doing the above two things would make emacs more easy to
use for a larger number of people.  Emacs has a lot of functionality
available, but it's hard to find out about it.  Making it easier to use
some of the available functionality helps a log of users.

One reason to ask if there's a policy in this direction is that
absolutely ANY change will make someone scream bloody murder.  (just
remember that there was resistance even to turning on
global-font-lock-mode by default, which is something that the vast
majority of users want).  And people that oppose change tend to be
extremely vocal.

Obviously any change request has to be judged on it's own merit, but
knowing if there's a clear direction would help.

Here are some examples of changes that could be made:
- transient-mark, selection with Shift-arrow keys

- show-paren-mode on by default
- iswitchb-mode on by default
- bind ibuffer to C-x C-b
- hide-ifdef-mode on by default for C/C++/objc
- flyspell-mode on by default for text-mode

Note that the above are just examples of things that can be done, they
are not given now in order to start discussing doing them.  That can be
done later in separate threads (unless the maintainers want to approve
any of them on the spot :-)

Can you (Stefan and Yidong) please state your opinion about this?

Thanks

        --dan




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2008-03-05  6:37 position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05  7:02 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 13:33   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 14:54     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-05 15:44     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 19:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 19:38         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 21:55       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 15:34   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05  9:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 15:02 ` Bastien
2008-03-05 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:30   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 23:15     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  3:49       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  4:10         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  4:30           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:35           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:28     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  3:58       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 10:07         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 11:37           ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-06 16:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 19:11           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 21:13             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09  1:00           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 16:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:52         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 18:25           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  0:35             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:46         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-06 16:13     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 16:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 17:09         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 17:35           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 20:38             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 20:40               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 21:33                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 21:36                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 18:10       ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-06 19:44         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-07  0:43           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09  1:00       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:48       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:07       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:08           ` Gregory Collins
2008-03-09  0:27             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  0:36               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:43                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  1:10                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 23:08                   ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11  1:00                     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  6:06                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09 21:51                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:34                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-10  0:29                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10  0:57                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  1:00                 ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  1:00               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:15           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 21:09           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 17:55               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  0:30                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10 22:29               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-08 19:11         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 19:26           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 19:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 20:03               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 20:28                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 23:41                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  0:04                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-09  0:18                       ` Stephen Eglen
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11 10:44                           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 12:22                             ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-11 14:39                               ` ido-mode (was Re: position on changing defaults?) Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:14                                 ` ido-mode Tassilo Horn
2008-03-09  0:27                       ` position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:36                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  9:51                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 16:40                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07 12:21       ` paul r
2008-03-11  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 20:43 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-05 23:30   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-05 23:45     ` Bastien
2008-03-05 23:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  0:10         ` Bastien
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:46     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  0:21       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 10:58       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-07 23:14         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 23:27           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  0:40             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08  1:24             ` deactivation in "shift-select" mode Miles Bader
2008-03-08  2:22               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-08  3:11                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:27                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08 17:26               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 20:53             ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 21:58               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:34               ` Shift-movement selection (was: position on changing defaults?) Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:00                 ` Shift-movement selection Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10  0:06                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  3:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  4:11                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 14:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 15:06                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10 16:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:40                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 18:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 10:06                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:51                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:06                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 23:59                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  0:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  8:28                                               ` tomas
2008-03-11 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-11 22:38                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11 23:31                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-11 23:46                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12  1:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 15:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:54                               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:39                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-12 20:03                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:00                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  1:06                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13  2:00                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-10 22:32                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-11 18:38                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11  9:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11 20:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:41                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 22:33                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 16:46       ` position on changing defaults? Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  2:08         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  6:28           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:08           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 18:07         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 22:56               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:17                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:24                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:02                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:52   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-06  0:34     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  1:00     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  1:18       ` Bastien
2008-03-06 17:07     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 17:40       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:12         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:35             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:11               ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-09 23:36                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:46                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:50                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:00                     ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-10  0:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:02                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-10 10:13                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-10 13:47                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10 14:32                         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 14:53                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  0:07                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-11 20:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:50                                 ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12  0:37                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-12 15:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 17:30                                     ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12 20:21                                       ` Dangerous shell commands? (was: CUA mode's C-RET binding) Reiner Steib
2008-03-12 21:23                                         ` Dangerous shell commands? David Kastrup
2008-03-13  0:14                                         ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-11 14:44                         ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11 15:09                           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-13 11:20                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-13 17:26                               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  9:25               ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:25       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 23:38           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 23:51             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  2:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 16:11             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-11 10:28               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  8:38         ` Making the command loop mode-dependent [was: position on changing defaults?] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-07  3:38     ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 10:50       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  2:18         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  2:40           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:06             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 22:13               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:44                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10  1:00                   ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 17:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 18:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12  9:56                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 14:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 23:56                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  1:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  2:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  2:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13 16:57                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-14  2:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-14  9:51                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13  7:45                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 12:45                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 13:28                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 20:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 21:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 23:56                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 22:47                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 22:49                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 23:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 15:41                             ` Chong Yidong

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