From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87mypcn4od.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204861464 27355 80.91.229.12 (7 Mar 2008 03:44:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 07 04:44:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JXTVk-0004w5-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:44:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXTVD-0008P6-2p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:44:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXTQ5-0003Gw-NN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXTQ4-0003GA-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXTQ4-0003G4-Ck for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JXTQ3-0000r5-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:52 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JXTQ3-0001as-JN; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:51 -0500 In-reply-to: <87mypcn4od.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (message from Miles Bader on Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:15:30 +0900) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91595 Archived-At: .... and is a completely and utterly different interface, one which is hated by many, and arguably is extremely confusing for newbies. You can't just drop in such a radical and controversial change by saying "oh, but it's here now, and it works..." That is right.