From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ablvb4om.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203632978 32003 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 22:29:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thorne@timbral.net, jearl@xmission.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 23:30:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSJvV-0001gQ-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:30:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSJv0-00045S-6A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSJtm-0003NK-LV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSJtl-0003MT-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSJtk-0003MM-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSJtk-0006Mm-P5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JSJtj-0001Fo-MZ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:11 -0500 In-reply-to: <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:30:57 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89870 Archived-At: Sorry, but you miss the fact that the highlighted region is _active_ whereas the non-highlighted region is _inactive_. And _active_ region changes the meaning of lots of commands, making them operate on the region instead of their normal range. It is not so many commands -- and they are not among the most common commands for beginners. (Does any of them appear in TUTORIAL?) But this does point up the fact that this change requires changes in many places in the Emacs manual. We should probably take the change out and not install it until after writing the necessary Emacs Manual changes.