From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: [22.1.90]: Point before start of properties Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702E48034@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <87wspcj0ou.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702EED4A1@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702EEDA6E@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670300E86B@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670305B82C@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670305BF82@maileube01.misys.global.ad> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203585480 5620 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 09:18:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Simon.Marshall@misys.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, cyd@stupidchicken.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 10:18:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JS7ZM-00006x-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:18:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Yr-0002mr-4U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:17:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xh-0001h7-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xg-0001gL-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7Xg-0001gF-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JS7Xf-0000Ea-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:35 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JS7Xe-0002cl-T5; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:16:34 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:40:13 +0200) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89793 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21254 Archived-At: So 20 years after GCC was a pioneer of the idea that it should be possible to debug optimized code, we are back at printf debugging because GCC developers no longer think it's important enough. I am the one who made it possible to debug optimized code. And I did it in a very simple way: I deleted the statement that turned off -g when -O was enabled. It's one thing to let people try to debug optimized code, and quite another to go to great lengths to make it easier. GCC has never done that.