From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Remove toggling behavior of minor modes when called from elisp Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199643243 32431 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 18:14:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Reiner Steib Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 19:14:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBa0t-0001Kn-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:14:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBa0W-0001HK-8q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:14:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBZwS-0006nE-8T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBZwP-0006lE-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBZwP-0006kv-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:45 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBZwP-00011D-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:45 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBZwO-0001rp-Oz; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:44 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Reiner Steib on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:53:57 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86361 Archived-At: I'm surprised to hear this, since when it was discussed on the list in 2006, you agreed to it and asked to put it into etc/TODO: I don't remember that previous discusson, so today I thought about it afresh, and came to a different conclusion this time. Perhaps it is because you explained more in the previous conversation. There is something in that old message that puzzles me: | Not really. It just means that the argument passed to the minor mode | function in the absence of a prefix-arg won't be nil but will be `toggle'. | As a matter of fact, this is already the case. I am puzzled by that last sentence; what is "already the case"? Can you explain what is already the case? Also, if we do this, we should change all the minor modes, not just the ones defined by define-minor-mode. The minor modes should remain consistent.