From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window' Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87r6jfed61.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <877il3qyvs.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87lk9fkn7s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1194206496 30605 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2007 20:01:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, bzg@altern.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 04 21:01:39 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iolf6-0000nL-Rd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:01:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iolew-0006K3-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Iolah-0001Lk-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:03 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Iolaf-0001Iy-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iolaf-0001Im-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Iolaf-0005PO-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Iolaa-0005YV-1z; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:56:56 -0500 In-reply-to: <87lk9fkn7s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82514 Archived-At: > That seems basically good, but using other characters > such as arrow keys would be an improvement. > / and \ could be good for vertical size changes > and [,] for horizontal; they don't need a shift key. On international keyboards you can be pretty sure that ascii letters and decimal numerals won't need a shift key (unless the keyboard is in ISO level 3 shift lock mode, in which case you are restricted to numerals). On all punctuation, except maybe period and comma, you can't be sure. Letters and numbers are not as good for this purpose than graphics that have a clear symbolic meaning. So we have a trade-off between clear mnemonic choices and support for non-US keyboards. I'm inclined to choose the clear mnemonic choices, esp. since most keyboards have arrow keys too.