From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: help-fns.el patch for commands to describe options and commands Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193043814 27956 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2007 09:03:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: William Xu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 22 11:03:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IjtCA-0004xn-0C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:03:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjtC2-0002SP-9s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijt9E-0008Mt-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijt9D-0008Lb-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijt9D-0008L8-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijt9B-0005OK-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijt9A-0000Ee-Ty; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:00:28 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from William Xu on Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:25:04 +0900) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81441 Archived-At: On the contrary, C-u is not friendly to newbies. So maybe a better solution is to add/redefine two new bindings, `C-h c' and `C-h o' for commands and options, respectively. It is a mistake to try to help newbies by providing an even larger number of help commands for them. So this idea is self-defeating. By the way, C-h c is already a help command, and a very basic one, which we will not change.