From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189988554 17109 80.91.229.12 (17 Sep 2007 00:22:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 17 02:22:31 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IX4Nh-0006QH-Um for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:22:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4Ng-0007KC-MQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:22:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4MQ-0006i3-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4MP-0006ha-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX4MP-0006hU-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IX4MP-0002NS-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IX4Lu-0006oD-1g; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:20:38 -0400 In-reply-to: <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:05 +0200) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79058 Archived-At: That's why I proposed announcing it with a message or tooltip that persists for a while but does not keep the user from actually working. I don't think that's sufficient to reliably inform people, because it is too indirect. Someone suggested popping up two frames. That seems worth considering. Anyway, I think we have more to gain from educating the people who stick with Emacs (and thus will at one point of time get to see the splash screen) rather than the people who try it a few times and then give up in disgust. Exaggerations like this just make me angry at you, which makes me less inclined than normally to entertain changes you suggest.