From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189370513 3586 80.91.229.12 (9 Sep 2007 20:41:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Sascha Wilde Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 06:41:40 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IUad2-0002CR-P4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:12:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUT8f-0006ij-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUT43-00028t-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUT41-00026h-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUT41-00026W-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IUT40-0003ZW-RU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IUT3e-0007WT-Q4; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:02 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Sascha Wilde on Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:56:07 +0200) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78338 Archived-At: I would like to have the old behavior back: if a file name was given on the command line the user definitely wants to edit that file, and so any editing/movement/redraw command should switch to that files buffer immediately. I changed this because I want beginners to see the splash screen, and beginners often have the habit of passing a file name. In case people don't agree on that, the splash screen should at least mention how to enter the buffer. That is a good point. We should make this easier. Maybe typing SPC on the splash screen should bury or kill it. Also, we should say how to do this, if we can fit it in. - Second, and maybe even worse: None of the settings for initial-buffer-choice restores the old behavior. Given that we have another variable to do that, who cares whether this variable can do that? Why do you care? - Third, as setting inhibit-splash-screen is the only (and as far as I can see not ell documented) way to get back the old behavior, it is a (minor) annoyance that inhibit-splash-screen not only turns of the splash screen, but the initial message in the *scratch* buffer too. Actually I never understood why this two things are configured by only one variable. We could change it not to affect the initial message in *scratch*. However, if *scratch* is not the initial buffer, is that message really needed anyway? Maybe we should just get rid of it.