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* ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default
@ 2007-07-05 20:22 Christian Schlauer
  2007-07-05 20:45 ` David Kastrup
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From: Christian Schlauer @ 2007-07-05 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

,----[ C-h v ps-default-bg RET ]
| ps-default-bg is a variable defined in `ps-print.el'.
| Its value is frame-parameter

[...]

| The `ps-default-bg' variable contains the default background color
| used by ps-print, that is, if there is a face in a text that doesn't
| have a background color, the `ps-default-bg' color should be used.

[...]

| It's used only when `ps-print-color-p' is non-nil.

[...]

`----

`ps-print-color-p' is t by default -- that means that the background
colour of my frame will be printed when I use M-x
ps-print-buffer-with-faces.

The problem is that ink jet printers today are mostly colour ink jet
printers, and even if I want the faces of a buffer to appear in colour
on paper, I am not interested in the background colour of the frame.
It is a waste of ink and _time_ as it takes much longer to print the
pages (the same holds for colour laser printers: a waste of toner and
_time_).

My proposal: change the default of `ps-default-bg' to white colour or
some equivalent expression.

FWIW, the Firefox web browser doesn't print the background colours or
background images of web pages by default: have a look in File -> Page
Setup... -> Format & Options: the "Print background (colours &
images)" option is _not_ checked by default. That's very sensible.
This would make sense for Emacs, too -- I guess many people choose
another background colour for their Emacs frames than white. I use
`ivory', for example.

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* Re: ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default
  2007-07-05 20:22 ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default Christian Schlauer
@ 2007-07-05 20:45 ` David Kastrup
  2007-07-06  4:38 ` Richard Stallman
  2007-07-15 16:50 ` Richard Stallman
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2007-07-05 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cs-usenet; +Cc: emacs-devel

Christian Schlauer <cs-muelleimer-rubbish.bin@arcor.de> writes:

> ,----[ C-h v ps-default-bg RET ]
> | ps-default-bg is a variable defined in `ps-print.el'.
> | Its value is frame-parameter

[...]

> `ps-print-color-p' is t by default -- that means that the background
> colour of my frame will be printed when I use M-x
> ps-print-buffer-with-faces.
>
> The problem is that ink jet printers today are mostly colour ink jet
> printers, and even if I want the faces of a buffer to appear in
> colour on paper, I am not interested in the background colour of the
> frame.  It is a waste of ink and _time_ as it takes much longer to
> print the pages (the same holds for colour laser printers: a waste
> of toner and _time_).
>
> My proposal: change the default of `ps-default-bg' to white colour
> or some equivalent expression.

If we do that, we must be prepared to use the light-background colors
of the faces for printing even if the screen happens to be
white-on-black.

If people configure their back- and foreground for special effect,
they might be surprised...

However, as a default I agree that for printing (and paginated output
is not likely to be used as the equivalent of a screenshot), a white
background would appear a sensible default.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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* Re: ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default
  2007-07-05 20:22 ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default Christian Schlauer
  2007-07-05 20:45 ` David Kastrup
@ 2007-07-06  4:38 ` Richard Stallman
  2007-07-15 16:50 ` Richard Stallman
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2007-07-06  4:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cs-usenet; +Cc: emacs-devel

    The problem is that ink jet printers today are mostly colour ink jet
    printers, and even if I want the faces of a buffer to appear in colour
    on paper, I am not interested in the background colour of the frame.
    It is a waste of ink and _time_ as it takes much longer to print the
    pages (the same holds for colour laser printers: a waste of toner and
    _time_).

    My proposal: change the default of `ps-default-bg' to white colour or
    some equivalent expression.

That seems like a valid argument.  Does anyone disagree?

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* Re: ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default
  2007-07-05 20:22 ps-default-bg shouldn't be used for printing by default Christian Schlauer
  2007-07-05 20:45 ` David Kastrup
  2007-07-06  4:38 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2007-07-15 16:50 ` Richard Stallman
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2007-07-15 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cs-usenet; +Cc: emacs-devel

    The problem is that ink jet printers today are mostly colour ink jet
    printers, and even if I want the faces of a buffer to appear in colour
    on paper, I am not interested in the background colour of the frame.
    It is a waste of ink and _time_ as it takes much longer to print the
    pages (the same holds for colour laser printers: a waste of toner and
    _time_).

    My proposal: change the default of `ps-default-bg' to white colour or
    some equivalent expression.

I installed this change in Emacs 22.  I hope it will be copied to the
trunk.

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