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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de>
Cc: alkibiades@gmx.de, nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Saving markup formats
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:36:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1I146O-0003Hv-MV@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ps3qriao.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Oliver Scholz on Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:12:31 +0200)

I am against structured data formats for an Emacs buffer because there
is no way to reconcile that cleanly with the Emacs Lisp model of a
buffer as a string of text.  I thought about this thoroughly 15 years
ago.

The problem is not just a matter of implementation.  It is a problem
of irreconcilable design concepts.  In an ordinary word processor,
the only goals are at the UI level.  In Emacs, though, we need to make
any design fit the Emacs programming model.

    I thought the rms was saying "why store data somewhere other than a
    buffer?".

No, I was talking about what the buffer contents can consist of.

	      In other words, why add DOM (for example) to Emacs so that
    we can store text in it when we already have text buffers?

I don't know the term "DOM", so I have to guess just what this means.
If it means that a buffer would consist of multiple strings, which are
put together through some other kind of structure, that is just no
good.  It can't make kill and yank work.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-06-16 19:56                 ` Saving markup formats Reiner Steib
2007-06-17 18:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 21:08                     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 21:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 21:57                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 22:13                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 22:27                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 22:37                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 22:47                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:02                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-17 23:13                                   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:46                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18  8:03                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-18  8:26                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18  8:44                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-18  9:25                                         ` Dave Pawson
2007-06-18 21:25                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 22:13                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-19  7:18                                             ` Dave Pawson
2007-06-19  7:41                                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-17 23:08                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-18  0:30                             ` XML editing wishlist (was: Saving markup formats) Drew Adams
2007-06-18  8:10                               ` XML editing wishlist Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-18 13:51                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 14:39                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-19 23:57                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20 20:49                                 ` Vagn Johansen
2007-06-17 21:55                       ` Saving markup formats Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 21:31                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18  0:05                   ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-18 21:19                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-19  7:43                       ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-19 13:38                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 13:59                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 23:40                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:10                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20  0:22                               ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:38                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-20  1:02                                   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  2:19                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-06-20  8:51                                     ` David House
2007-06-20 10:16                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 10:46                                         ` David House
2007-06-20 10:56                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  9:45                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-20 10:19                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 11:20                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-20 11:49                                           ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20  0:08                           ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20  5:37                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-20 10:05                               ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 10:23                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 11:12                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 11:20                                     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-20 12:36                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2007-06-20 17:36                                     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-06-20 20:10                                       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21  0:05                                         ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21  3:59                                           ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21  7:56                                             ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 10:07                                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-21 10:31                                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 10:52                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-21 12:50                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-21 13:05                                               ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 13:23                                                 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  1:51                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 17:32                                         ` Richard Stallman

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