unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:22:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1HyVcV-0001iK-EP@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ejkgkakm.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:38:33 -0400)

    There are two clean ways to do this is: (i) extend process-environment
    so that if a symbol occurs in the list, as opposed to a string, that
    symbol names a list whose elements are to be used (as though they had
    been inserted in process-environment).  Then the final element for all
    default values of process-environment would include the symbol
    `global-process-environment'; or (ii) extend process-environment so
    that an element of `t' means "the global value of this variable"
    (similar to hook variables).

These are more elegant, but I am not sure it matters in practice.

    Either of these approaches would be backward compatible for
    third-party than the shared-tail idea, but IMHO the gain in
    cleanliness more than makes up for it.

I don't think so, and the reason is that this won't clean
up the code in Lisp programs at all.  On the contrary, it would
complicate them.

In other words, elegance of the mechanism is not the same thing
as simplicity of the user code.

We use method ii for hooks, but the complexity is hidden inside
two standard functions.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-13 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-04  3:31 Post-22.1 development? Chong Yidong
2007-06-04  6:59 ` Release announcement [was Re: Post-22.1 development?] Glenn Morris
2007-06-04  8:44   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  9:11   ` Yavor Doganov
2007-06-04  8:58 ` Post-22.1 development? Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04  9:20   ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-06-04  9:24     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04 19:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04  9:25     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 16:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 17:31   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 18:53   ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-04 19:34     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 19:44         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 20:01           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-05  5:17     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:32       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-05 16:39         ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-05 18:39           ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-06  0:21         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06  7:56           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06  8:45             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06  9:22               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-06 10:25               ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 10:54                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:02                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 12:06                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 13:19                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 13:44                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:38                   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-06 15:11                     ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 19:33                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06 12:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07  5:33             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  6:12               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-04 19:31   ` Post-22.1 development? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 21:18     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-05  5:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:10       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-05 21:35         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 22:33         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06  7:58           ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-06 13:07             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-06 13:47               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-07 15:45               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:05                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-07 19:01                   ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09  9:50                   ` David House
2007-06-06 22:09             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-07 20:25               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-08 14:27           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10 15:59   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11  9:44     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 10:04       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 11:25         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11 17:02         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11 19:08           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 22:23             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-13  8:07           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:00         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 16:57             ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-12 17:43               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 22:09                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-12 23:38                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2007-06-13 18:19                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:15                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 18:44                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 19:22                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:47                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 20:08                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-06-14  6:11                         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  6:18                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  6:57                             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  7:33                               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  8:08                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  8:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  9:22                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-13  0:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 17:39                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 20:57                     ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-13 22:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15  6:09                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-15 14:02                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-14  7:49               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  8:57                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-15  8:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  9:02                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 18:51                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05  5:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05  6:17     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 19:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 20:52         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05 21:13         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 21:10             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07  6:51               ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  6:57                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  8:21                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  9:04                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08 14:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:06                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07 18:33                 ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-07 18:53                   ` David House
2007-06-07 18:47                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08  5:54                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  7:17                     ` IPP under emacs [was: Re: Post-22.1 development?] Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 14:25                       ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-08 18:37                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 20:20                           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 20:59                             ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:16                               ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 21:40                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:43                                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-09  1:41                                     ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-09  9:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  3:47                           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10  7:11                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-10 13:18                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:49                   ` Post-22.1 development? Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 18:41                     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-08 20:12                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08 14:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:01                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08 19:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 22:25                       ` desktop.el/session.el [was: Post-22.1 development?] Davis Herring
2007-06-08 23:06                         ` desktop.el/session.el Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09 21:32                         ` desktop.el/session.el Juri Linkov
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Post-22.1 development? Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  7:23                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  7:11               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  9:01                 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 19:48             ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 21:18               ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 22:17                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07 23:58                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 23:06                     ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  0:03                       ` 48 line console Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  1:34                         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  7:19                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  8:59                             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  9:50                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 10:40                       ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 22:25               ` Post-22.1 development? David Reitter
2007-06-07 22:42                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` David Reitter
2007-06-08 13:57                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-08 14:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:23                       ` csant
2007-06-08 19:17                         ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  1:23                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-06-05 10:24 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 10:55   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 11:19   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 21:07     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06  0:37       ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 19:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:55     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-06 16:58       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 21:22     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06 16:59       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 15:28 ` Neal Becker
2007-06-06 15:32   ` David House
2007-06-12 18:39 ` Jay Belanger

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=E1HyVcV-0001iK-EP@fencepost.gnu.org \
    --to=rms@gnu.org \
    --cc=cyd@stupidchicken.com \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=jasonr@gnu.org \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).