From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version' Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <2cd46e7f0705101124r72000f78xdf05d18ca815ca57@mail.gmail.com> <20070513084905.C95BC14297@owie.lan> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179130423 29443 80.91.229.12 (14 May 2007 08:13:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ryan Yeske Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 14 10:13:42 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HnVga-0001DN-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 10:13:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnVoI-000193-VX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnVmr-0000CG-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnVmq-0000Bq-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnVmq-0000Bd-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:20:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HnVf5-0001Yo-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:12:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HnVc4-0008TV-1K; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:09:00 -0400 In-reply-to: <20070513084905.C95BC14297@owie.lan> (message from Ryan Yeske on Sun, 13 May 2007 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71004 Archived-At: I don't see how any code installed in Emacs could save you the need for that. In my quick test of package.el, I was able to install and run a package in 1/10th the time it would have taken to find, download and install it manually. Can you explain why this is so? What are the jobs that you need to do without package.el, which package.el avoids? Since just loading the files is not supposed to change Emacs functionality, I think the need for this cannot be avoided. Having the package system install the file and setup autoloads in .emacs will not itself change emacs functionality, but will save the user a tremendous amount of tedious work. I can see how putting the autoloads in a suitable place would be a savings. That is something that could be done by a function to install certain Lisp code, which does not need that Lisp code to be a "package".