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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de, storm@cua.dk
Subject: Re: gnus makes emacs lose response
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:44:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1GGWMD-0003GV-L2@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17645.6709.53699.324551@rgrjr.dyndns.org> (message from Bob Rogers on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:17:09 -0400)

      When you redial, the computer attached to the
    modem bank has no clue who are (and might even be a different computer
    than before), so you usually get a different IP address, making TCP
    connections established with the old IP address unusable.  Either way,
    OpenSSL probably isn't even aware of all this commotion in the lower
    layers of the networking stack.

That being so, if you're using WiFi then OpenSSL should not die when
the connection drops, but if you're using PPP, then OpenSSL should
die when the connection drops.

Emacs is the wrong place to make the decision.  Emacs is not in a
position to know whether the connection was by phone or by wireless.
If Gnus could impose a timeout, it would fix the problem for phone
connections and cause a spurious problem for wireless.

How can we make the right thing happen in both cases?  Some part of
the system has to be responsible for making the right thing happen in
each of these cases.  Somehow OpenSSL needs to be able to determine
that a low-level connection is irrevocably broken, so it can die.
This may require changes in Linux and GNU Libc as well as OpenSSL,
but I don't know.

We need to report this to the people who can fix it right.

In the mean time, the solution for Emacs is to make sure C-g works.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-25  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m2lkuuynpf.fsf@sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk>
     [not found] ` <m24q18rize.fsf@sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk>
2006-04-05  8:47   ` gnus makes emacs lose response Kim F. Storm
2006-04-05 17:55     ` Leon
2006-04-06  9:08       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-04-06 21:15         ` Leon
2006-04-07  8:13           ` Kim F. Storm
2006-04-07 13:25             ` Leon
2006-04-07 20:58         ` Ralf Angeli
2006-04-09  1:17           ` Leon
2006-04-17 20:35           ` Ralf Angeli
2006-04-18  1:46             ` Leon
2006-04-19 20:18               ` Ralf Angeli
2006-04-20  1:19                 ` Leon
2006-04-19 20:18             ` Ralf Angeli
2006-04-19 20:51               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-19 21:13                 ` Ralf Angeli
2006-04-20 18:05               ` Gregory Novak
2006-04-24  0:41                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-22 11:44               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-23 14:45                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-23 15:00                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-25  7:43                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-25  8:15                       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-26 10:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-26 21:32                           ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-25  8:56                       ` Jason Rumney
2006-08-23 20:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-08-24  3:17                   ` Bob Rogers
2006-08-24  7:51                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-25  1:01                       ` Bob Rogers
2006-08-25 20:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-25  7:44                     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2006-09-04  8:41 Kim F. Storm
2006-09-05 21:18 ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-05 21:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-07 20:43     ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-08 11:56       ` Richard Stallman
2006-09-06 19:06   ` Richard Stallman
2006-09-07 14:37 ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-22 20:04 ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-25  0:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-25 15:22     ` Chong Yidong
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-09 22:33 Kim F. Storm
2006-09-10  4:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-16 20:22   ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-18 14:40   ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-18 14:53     ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-19 10:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-19 15:02         ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-22 19:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-23 18:01             ` Richard Stallman
2006-09-23  3:34         ` Richard Stallman
2006-09-23 15:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-18 14:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-23 18:18 Chong Yidong
2006-09-23 23:42 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-09-26 17:26 ` Leo
2006-09-26 18:08   ` Chong Yidong
2006-09-26 19:20     ` Leo

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