From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cua-mode and the tutorial Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <44C8F069.1070002@student.lu.se> <44EBDB88.9010708@student.lu.se> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156396828 30096 80.91.229.2 (24 Aug 2006 05:20:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 24 07:20:27 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG7df-0006ub-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:20:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG7de-0004XQ-Gd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GG7dO-0004Uu-M8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GG7dO-0004UU-1q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG7dN-0004UO-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG7lN-0003LM-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:28:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1GG7dM-0004rN-5n; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:04 -0400 Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-reply-to: <44EBDB88.9010708@student.lu.se> (message from Lennart Borgman on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:37:28 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58787 Archived-At: > I don't see much point in teaching an absolute beginner standard Emacs > if that is not what he will get when he runs Emacs normally. > Maybe this is wishful thinking? That new users will use Emacs standard key bindings only? It is hard for me to believe they will. New users won't know about nonstandard bindings. Until they learn to customize, they will use the standard ones. The exception is when someone starts a new user off with nontrivial customizations. We want to discourage that. Is it not plausible that they have been using CUA keys and want to use that in Emacs? I don't know, but people who start others off with Emacs are not supposed to customize it for them. The tutorial is written to teach the standard bindings. To teach the use of Emacs with the CUA keys is a different job, one which the current tutorial is not designed to do. Is it not quite likely that the person who set up Emacs is the user himself? He might have read some advice on how to get started and customized Emacs to use CUA mode. It seems rather unlikely.