From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TUTORIAL and scroll bar Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878xly60md.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1155151062 26924 80.91.229.2 (9 Aug 2006 19:17:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 09 21:17:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAtYU-00066b-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:17:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAtYT-0005wM-In for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:17:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAtXG-00050S-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:16:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GAtXF-000502-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAtXF-0004zy-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAtbz-0001q9-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1GAtXE-00078D-13; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:16:08 -0400 Original-To: Chong Yidong In-reply-to: <878xly60md.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:36:58 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58234 Archived-At: > I guess this is done to be consistent with the defaults of the > respective window-system. If that's the rationale, I suggest moving scroll bars to the right on GTK as well. The main reason for putting scroll bars on the left is that most of the text is on the left. In ordinary X11 toolkit scroll bars, there are mouse clicks whose operation is based on the line you click on, so it is useful to see the scroll bar close to the text on the line. However, the scroll bar commands on Windows and the Mac don't work that way, and it is not particularly useful for those scroll bars to be on the left. So they may as well go on the right, where people usually expect them. I am not sure what the scroll bar commands in the GTK version do. If they work like those of Windows, then those scroll bars may as well be on the right.