Re: Hello in Hungarian

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <E1FxARx-0001BV-Rf@fencepost.gnu.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>> Do you want to take charge of adding more languages?
>     I don't think I'm the right person to do that, as I'm not familiar
>     with the different scripts and character sets that may be involved.

> I asked you to do the work because you thought it was worth doing ;-).
> I certainly don't want to spend time on it.

I can work on maintaining HELLO file once the policy of the
file is decided.

storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> Besides, it gives a warm feeling that Emacs knows how to say hello in
> your own language!  And I think it is quite funny to look at the
> various examples, so IMO, we should add more ...  I

I agree with that.  Although the priority of the work for it
is fairly low for me, if what I should do is just to add a
line or two upon each request, I'm willing to do that.

Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com> writes:
> How about moving the most important lines to the beginning (those using
> unique scripts), and adding a "Hello in other languages" section to the
> end for other languages.

It seems to be a reasonable compromise, but I don't want to
be a person who decide which is more important, French or
German.  :-p   So, how about the attached one?

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

This is a list of ways to say hello in various languages.

Non-ASCII examples:
  West Europe: ¡Hola!, Hyvää päivää, Grüß Gott, Bonġu
  Central Europe: Dobrý den, Tere päevast, Cześć!
  Other Europe: Γειά σας, Здравствуйте!, გამარჯობა, Eĥoŝanĝo ĉiuĵaŭde
  Africa: ሠላም
  Middle/Near East: שלום, �����������
  South Asia: नमस्ते, ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ, നമസ്കാരം, வணக்கம், བཀྲ�་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས༎
  South East Asia: ສະບາຍດີ, สวัสดีครับ, Chào bạn
  East Asia: こんにちは, ｺﾝﾆﾁﾊ, 你好, 早晨, 안녕하세요
  Misc: ⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕, ∀ p ∈ world • hello p  □
  CJK variety: GB(元气,开发), JIS(元気,開発), KSC(元氣,開發), BIG5(元氣,開發)
  Unicode charset: Eĥoŝanĝo ĉiuĵaŭde, Γειά σας, שלום, Здравствуйте!

LANGUAGE (NATIVE NAME)	HELLO
----------------------	-----
Amharic (አማርኛ)	ሠላም
Arabic	�����������
Braille	⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
C	printf ("Hello, world!\n");
Czech (čeština)	Dobrý den
Danish (dansk)	Hej, Goddag
Emacs	emacs --no-splash -f view-hello-file
English [ˈiŋ-gliʃ]	Hello
Esperanto	Saluton (Eĥoŝanĝo ĉiuĵaŭde)
Estonian (eesti)	Tere päevast, Tere õhtust
Finnish (suomi)	Hei, Hyvää päivää
French (français)	Bonjour, Salut
Georgian (ქართველი)	გამარჯობა
German (Deutsch)	Guten Tag, Grüß Gott
Greek (ελληνικά)	Γειά σας
Hebrew (עברית)	שלום
Hindi (हिंदी)	नमस्ते, नमस्कार ।
Italian (italiano)	Ciao, Buon giorno
Javanese (Jawa)	System.out.println("Halo, selamat sore!");
Kannada (ಕನ್ನಡ)	ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ
Lao (ພາສາລາວ)	ສະບາຍດີ, ຂໍໃຫ້ໂຊກດີ
Malayalam (മലയാളം)	നമസ്കാരം
Maltese (il-Malti)	Bonġu, Saħħa
Mathematics	∀ p ∈ world • hello p  □
Nederlands, Vlaams	Hallo, Dag
Norwegian (norsk)	Hei, God dag
Polish (polski)	Dzień dobry! Cześć!
Russian (русский)	Здравствуйте!
Slovak (slovenčina)	Dobrý deň
Slovenian (slovenščina)	Pozdravljeni!
Spanish (español)	¡Hola!
Swedish (på svenska)	Hej, Goddag
Tamil (தமிழ்)	வணக்கம்
Thai (ภาษาไทย)	สวัสดีครับ, สวัสดีค่ะ
Tibetan (བོད་སྐ�ད་)	བཀྲ�་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས༎
Tigrigna (ትግርኛ)	ሰላማት
Turkish (Türkçe)	Merhaba
Ukrainian (українська)	Вітаю
Vietnamese (Tiếng Việt)	Chào bạn

Japanese (日本語)	こんにちは, ｺﾝﾆﾁﾊ
Chinese (中文,普通话,汉语)	你好
Cantonese (粵語,廣東話)	早晨, 你好
Korean (한글)	안녕하세요, 안녕하십니까
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Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Yavor Doganov]

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:16:20 +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote:

>>> Do you want to take charge of adding more languages?

I see that there's no entry for Bulgarian.  Could someone please add

Bulgarian (български)	Здравейте!

(it's OK without the exclamation mark as well)

-- 
JID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kim F. Storm]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> I can work on maintaining HELLO file once the policy of the
> file is decided.

Thank you!

> It seems to be a reasonable compromise, but I don't want to
> be a person who decide which is more important, French or
> German.  :-p   So, how about the attached one?

Looks really good to me!

I'm not sure, but don't we say "Western Europe" and "Eastern Europe"
instaed of "West Europe" and "Other Europe" ?

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Johan Bockgård]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> Swedish (på svenska)	Hej, Goddag
           == "in Swedish"

What's the preposition (på) doing there? The other languages don't
have that.

-- 
Johan Bockgård

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kim F. Storm]

bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes:

> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>
>> Swedish (på svenska)	Hej, Goddag
>            == "in Swedish"
>
> What's the preposition (på) doing there? The other languages don't
> have that.

To show the national å letter I guess.

I would much rather have the danish entry say something like
"blåbærgrød" to show the (specific) Danish letters, but very few
people use that to mean Hello.  (blåbærgrød ~ blueberry jelly)

In danish we can say "Halløj" to mean hello.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Richard Stallman]

    I would much rather have the danish entry say something like
    "blåbærgrød" to show the (specific) Danish letters, but very few
    people use that to mean Hello.  (blåbærgrød ~ blueberry jelly)

For the non-Latin scripts, we do not try to show all the letters --
just a few.  So maybe there's no reason to try to do any more than
that for Latin scripts.

Because this is a minute issue, it is hard to settle questions about
it.  Whatever we do, it would not be very bad.  But it could use
a lot of time.

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <yoij4pxyq0jk.fsf@iota202.dd.chalmers.se>, bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes:

> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>> Swedish (på svenska)	Hej, Goddag
>            == "in Swedish"

> What's the preposition (på) doing there? The other languages don't
> have that.

Please don't ask me.  I put it just because someone gave it
to me.  If "på" is surely unnecessary, I'll delete it.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Mathias Dahl]

> > What's the preposition (på) doing there? The other languages don't
> > have that.
>
> Please don't ask me.  I put it just because someone gave it
> to me.  If "på" is surely unnecessary, I'll delete it.

If we want to show the "å", we could remove the "på" and instead add a
"Hallå" (another way to say hello) to the list of words. What do other
Swedish-talking persons here think?

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Richard Stallman]

    I can work on maintaining HELLO file once the policy of the
    file is decided.

I don't object to adding a few "redundant" languages as long as I
don't have to do any work on them.  So we can add languages that
people request adding, as long as someone wants to do the work.

    It seems to be a reasonable compromise, but I don't want to
    be a person who decide which is more important, French or
    German.  :-p   So, how about the attached one?

It is ok with me.

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <E1FxXil-0000ED-3a@fencepost.gnu.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     It seems to be a reasonable compromise, but I don't want to
>     be a person who decide which is more important, French or
>     German.  :-p   So, how about the attached one?

> It is ok with me.

Ok, I've just committed a slightly modified version
(attached at the tail).  As far as I understand, it reflects
all requests posted.

storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> I'm not sure, but don't we say "Western Europe" and "Eastern Europe"
> instaed of "West Europe" and "Other Europe" ?

As I have no idea, I changed it to single "Europe" entry.

"Peter Tury" <tury.peter@gmail.com> writes:
> I would like to ask you to add "Hello" to the file (expand-file-name
> "HELLO" data-directory) in Hungarian as well. It should look like
> this:
> Szép jó napot!

I added this line.  Please tell me how to say "Hungarian"
in Hungarian.

Hungarian (??)	Szép jó napot!

Yavor Doganov <yavor@doganov.org> writes:
> Bulgarian (български)	Здравейте!

I added that line.

bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes:
>> Swedish (på svenska)	Hej, Goddag
>            == "in Swedish"
> What's the preposition (på) doing there? The other languages don't
> have that.

"Mathias Dahl" <mathias.dahl@gmail.com> writes:
> If we want to show the "å", we could remove the "på" and instead add a
> "Hallå" (another way to say hello) to the list of words. What do other
> Swedish-talking persons here think?

I changed the Swedish line to this:

Swedish (svenska)	Hej, Goddag, Hallå

But, I'd like to reorder 3 "hello"s by popularity.  Please
tell me the correct order.

storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> I would much rather have the danish entry say something like
> "blåbærgrød" to show the (specific) Danish letters, but very few
> people use that to mean Hello.  (blåbærgrød ~ blueberry jelly)

> In danish we can say "Halløj" to mean hello.

I changed the Danish line to this:

Danish (dansk)	Hej, Goddag, blåbærgrød, Halløj

Please tell me the correct order as above.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

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In article <E1FxwC7-0002RX-00@etlken>, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> Ok, I've just committed a slightly modified version
> (attached at the tail).

Oops, I fogot to attach it.  Here it is.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org


[-- Attachment #2: HELLO --]
[-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 5420 bytes --]

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Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Mathias Dahl]

> I changed the Swedish line to this:
>
> Swedish (svenska)       Hej, Goddag, Hallå
>
> But, I'd like to reorder 3 "hello"s by popularity.  Please
> tell me the correct order.

I'd say the order above is correct. If I had to pick only one word for
"Hello" it would be "Hej". "Goddag" ("good day") is a bit older and
more formal, and "Hallå" is quite common, depending on the situation
and where you come from. "Hallå" is more casual, IMO.

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <7dbe73ed0607050424o4c497727p9515a48045af64ab@mail.gmail.com>, "Mathias Dahl" <mathias.dahl@gmail.com> writes:

>> I changed the Swedish line to this:
>> 
>> Swedish (svenska)       Hej, Goddag, Hallå
>> 
>> But, I'd like to reorder 3 "hello"s by popularity.  Please
>> tell me the correct order.

> I'd say the order above is correct. If I had to pick only one word for
> "Hello" it would be "Hej". "Goddag" ("good day") is a bit older and
> more formal, and "Hallå" is quite common, depending on the situation
> and where you come from. "Hallå" is more casual, IMO.

Thank you, I see.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Richard Stallman]

    I changed the Danish line to this:

    Danish (dansk)	Hej, Goddag, blåbærgrød, Halløj

I think this is a misunderstanding.  blåbærgrød does NOT mean "hello".
He said it means "blueberry jelly".

He mentioned it _only_ because it uses several letters that are specific
to Danish.

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <E1FyAld-0002x2-AU@fencepost.gnu.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     I changed the Danish line to this:
>     Danish (dansk)	Hej, Goddag, blåbærgrød, Halløj

> I think this is a misunderstanding.  blåbærgrød does NOT mean "hello".
> He said it means "blueberry jelly".

I thought that, in Denmark, saying "blueberry jelly" in
Danish means "Hello" for a few people.  :-p

> He mentioned it _only_ because it uses several letters that are specific
> to Danish.

Anyway, I've already fixed it.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Mathias Dahl]

> I thought that, in Denmark, saying "blueberry jelly" in
> Danish means "Hello" for a few people.  :-p
>
> > He mentioned it _only_ because it uses several letters that are specific
> > to Danish.
>
> Anyway, I've already fixed it.

Strawberry cheesecake!

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Miles Bader]

"Mathias Dahl" <mathias.dahl@gmail.com> writes:
>> I thought that, in Denmark, saying "blueberry jelly" in
>> Danish means "Hello" for a few people.  :-p
>>
>> > He mentioned it _only_ because it uses several letters that are specific
>> > to Danish.
>>
>> Anyway, I've already fixed it.
>
> Strawberry cheesecake!

Hmmm maybe we can start a new trend...

-miles

-- 
`Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <7dbe73ed0607060831k676d1871h6d55306a84ac4493@mail.gmail.com>, "Mathias Dahl" <mathias.dahl@gmail.com> writes:

>> I thought that, in Denmark, saying "blueberry jelly" in
>> Danish means "Hello" for a few people.  :-p
>> 
>> > He mentioned it _only_ because it uses several letters that are specific
>> > to Danish.
>> 
>> Anyway, I've already fixed it.

> Strawberry cheesecake!

No problem.

Raspberry jam!

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Peter Tury]

2006/7/5, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>:
> Please tell me how to say "Hungarian" in Hungarian.
>
> Hungarian (??)  Szép jó napot!
>

Hungarian = magyar (with lowercase m!);
in Hungarian = magyarul;
(Hungary = Magyarország (with uppercase M))

Thanks again,
P

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <b5accf970607301237w438cce3fr8b99909ce1a78ffb@mail.gmail.com>, "Peter Tury" <tury.peter@gmail.com> writes:

> 2006/7/5, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>:
>> Please tell me how to say "Hungarian" in Hungarian.
>> 
>> Hungarian (??)  Szép jó napot!
>> 

> Hungarian = magyar (with lowercase m!);
> in Hungarian = magyarul;
> (Hungary = Magyarország (with uppercase M))

Thank you for the info.  It seems that the HELLO file is
already updated to contain "magyar".

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Károly Lőrentey]

Kenichi Handa wrote:
> Thank you for the info.  It seems that the HELLO file is
> already updated to contain "magyar".

Yes, I just couldn't pass on the opportunity to add something to Emacs
in my native language. :-)  FWIW, I also have a half-translated tutorial
lying around somewhere; maybe I will complete it someday.

-- 
Károly

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Richard Stallman]

    Hungarian = magyar (with lowercase m!);
    in Hungarian = magyarul;

Which one would you use in this particular context?

Re: Hello in Hungarian

[Peter Tury]

2006/7/31, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>:
>     Hungarian = magyar (with lowercase m!);
>     in Hungarian = magyarul;
>
> Which one would you use in this particular context?

I definitely would use "magyarul", though it is not the direct
translation of "Hungarian".

("magyar" sounds weird here for me, but, naturally, can be understood:
it can be seen as a placeholder for "Hungarian [version]"...)

Thanks for your care,
P