From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20060715221432.GA1252@muc.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153071072 21171 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 17:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 16 19:31:10 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ASR-0007lw-5v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:31:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ASQ-0003Bs-Mm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ASF-0003Bn-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ASF-0003Ba-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ASF-0003BX-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2AUj-0002pq-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1G2ASD-0000vM-SX; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:30:53 -0400 Original-To: Alan Mackenzie In-reply-to: <20060715221432.GA1252@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:14:33 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57100 Archived-At: What's a menu-bar? My Emacs setup hasn't got one (whatever it might be ;-). If you don't have a menu bar, it is because someone turned it off for you. The tutorial need not be designed to cope with such customizations. However, not all Emacs setups have mouses. One of the prime attractivenesses of Emacs for me is being able to use it on a plain character screen without it being cluttered up with window borders, I think nearly all beginner users of Emacs have mice. The Info tutorial is mainly aimed at these beginners. Er, I have to agree here. I've never seen any invisible text in Info. You wouldn't see it, would you ;-).