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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Strange eval-after-load
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:30:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Fxoj3-0003FG-Qe@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060704080222.GA1316@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:02:23 +0100)

    Richard, please tell me what's wrong with using eval-after-load.

Here's the explanation from tips.texi.

@item
Redefining (or advising) an Emacs primitive is a bad idea.  It may do
the right thing for a particular program, but there is no telling what
other programs might break as a result.  In any case, it is a problem
for debugging, because the two advised function doesn't do what its
source code says it does.  If the programmer investigating the problem
is unaware that there is advice on the function, the experience can be
very frustrating.

We hope to remove all the places in Emacs that advise primitives.
In the mean time, please don't add any more.

@item
It is likewise a bad idea for one Lisp package to advise a function
in another Lisp package.

@item
Likewise, avoid using @code{eval-after-load} (@pxref{Hooks for
Loading}) in libraries and packages.  This feature is meant for
personal customizations; using it in a Lisp program is unclean because
it modifies the behavior of another Lisp file in an invisible way.
This is an obstacle for debugging, much like advising a function in
the other package.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-04 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-26  2:22 Strange eval-after-load Richard Stallman
2006-05-26  7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-26 14:20   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-26 19:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-27  3:36   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-02 13:33 ` Hi, I'm back! + " Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-02 17:28   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-02 19:18     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 15:05       ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-03 17:16         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 16:28           ` Michael Albinus
2006-07-03 17:06           ` John Paul Wallington
2006-07-03 21:54             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 21:48               ` Johan Bockgård
2006-07-04 12:54           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-04 15:02             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-04 20:52               ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-04 21:41                 ` Bob Rogers
2006-07-05 16:38                   ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-07-05 17:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-02 22:30   ` Hi, I'm back! + " Richard Stallman
2006-07-03 10:57     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 10:21       ` David Kastrup
2006-07-03 13:50         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 23:21           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-04  8:02             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-04  7:15               ` David Kastrup
2006-07-04 10:04                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-04  9:23                   ` David Kastrup
2006-07-04 10:00                     ` Nick Roberts
2006-07-04 13:08                       ` Johan Bockgård
2006-07-04 14:17               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-04 17:30               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2006-07-04 21:08                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-04 21:48                   ` Nick Roberts
2006-07-05  3:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-05  8:57                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-05  9:09                       ` David Kastrup
2006-07-05 22:28                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-06  6:49                           ` David Kastrup
2006-07-07  4:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-07 11:46                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-05 17:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 14:51                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 18:01                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-03 23:21       ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-03 23:21       ` Richard Stallman

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