From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips and menus Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874pzjkuap.fsf@mit.edu> <8764jx8ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148437054 10084 80.91.229.2 (24 May 2006 02:17:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 02:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 24 04:17:31 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiiwC-00062j-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:17:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiiwB-0004Oz-Tr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fiiw0-0004OD-Tc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fiivz-0004Nl-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fiivz-0004Ni-OZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fij0L-00067E-2h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:21:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Fiivz-0006Hs-2O; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:15 -0400 Original-To: Chong Yidong In-reply-to: <8764jx8ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:35 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55166 Archived-At: If that's too radical a concept for people to swallow, another idea is to remove tooltips for menu entries that open up submenus. Tthat's what the Gnome menu does, and will probably solve the particular problem that Richard noticed. That could be a good idea. After all, when you put the mouse on such an item, you see the whole submenu to give you added information, which gives you more information than a tooltip would. (The submenu could even have a title to explain its overall purpose if that is not self-evident.)