ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

Some of the files in the ERC package installed in the Emacs CVS tree
have names that are not unique in the first 8+3 characters.  DOSCHK
found the following clashes:

    The following resolve to the same DOS file names:
    CHANGELO.200   : ./lisp/erc/ChangeLog.2001
		     ./lisp/erc/ChangeLog.2002
		     ./lisp/erc/ChangeLog.2003
		     ./lisp/erc/ChangeLog.2004
		     ./lisp/erc/ChangeLog.2005
    ERC-AUTO.EL    : ./lisp/erc/erc-autoaway.el
		     ./lisp/erc/erc-autojoin.el
    ERC-COMP.EL    : ./lisp/erc/erc-compat.el
		     ./lisp/erc/erc-complete.el
    ERC-NETS.EL    : ./lisp/erc/erc-nets.el
		     ./lisp/erc/erc-netsplit.el
    ERC-NICK.EL    : ./lisp/erc/erc-nicklist.el
		     ./lisp/erc/erc-nickserv.el

This makes unpacking the Emacs tarball on 8+3 filesystems a pain.  Can
the offending files be renamed somehow?  (For ChangeLog.* files I'd
suggest ChangeLog.01, ChangeLog.02 etc.)

TIA

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Miles Bader]

2006/2/3, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> Some of the files in the ERC package installed in the Emacs CVS tree
> have names that are not unique in the first 8+3 characters.  DOSCHK
> found the following clashes:

Do people really still run 8+3-only filesystems (discounting things
like floppies)?

-miles
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Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:03:59 +0900
> From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
> Cc: Michael Olson <mwolson@gnu.org>, Mario Lang <mlang@delysid.org>, 
> 	emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> 2006/2/3, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> > Some of the files in the ERC package installed in the Emacs CVS tree
> > have names that are not unique in the first 8+3 characters.  DOSCHK
> > found the following clashes:
> 
> Do people really still run 8+3-only filesystems (discounting things
> like floppies)?

The MS-DOS port is still supported, and I don't see any reason to drop
it just because a bunch of new files were added.

Btw, even if no one uses plain DOS anymore, files that clash in the
8+3 namespace are trouble on some versions of Windows, due to bugs in
the MS algorithm that generates the 8+3 aliases.  See, for example,
the thread "Re: `rename-file' with leading spaces in filename" earlier
this year.

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Richard M. Stallman]

    The MS-DOS port is still supported, and I don't see any reason to drop
    it just because a bunch of new files were added.

If it is still useful, certainly not.
But is it still useful?

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
> CC: miles@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, mwolson@gnu.org,
> 	emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:06:24 -0500
> 
>     The MS-DOS port is still supported, and I don't see any reason to drop
>     it just because a bunch of new files were added.
> 
> If it is still useful, certainly not.
> But is it still useful?

I had a bug report from its user not long ago, so it sounds like it is
still being used.

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Miles Bader]

2006/2/6, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> I had a bug report from its user not long ago, so it sounds like it is
> still being used.

Just one user, eh?  .... :-)

-miles
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Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

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> 2006/2/6, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> > I had a bug report from its user not long ago, so it sounds like it is
> > still being used.
> 
> Just one user, eh?  .... :-)

Just one user who cared to send a bug report.

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Richard M. Stallman]

I don't know whether the others have access;
can you rename the files yourself?

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
> CC: mwolson@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:26:27 -0500
> 
> I don't know whether the others have access; can you rename the
> files yourself?

Sure, I can; I just wanted to hear suggestions for file names from the
maintainers, and perhaps any caveats that I could hit if I rename
naively.

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Michael Olson]

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Sure, I can; I just wanted to hear suggestions for file names from
> the maintainers, and perhaps any caveats that I could hit if I
> rename naively.

I'll do the renaming after getting some consensus from the ERC mailing
list.  Please let me take care of it.

Thanks for reporting this.

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Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Michael Olson <mwolson@gnu.org>
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:41:50 -0500
> 
> I'll do the renaming after getting some consensus from the ERC mailing
> list.

Thank you.

Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Michael Olson]

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Michael Olson <mwolson@gnu.org>
>> Cc: rms@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:41:50 -0500
>> 
>> I'll do the renaming after getting some consensus from the ERC
>> mailing list.

A fix is being tested upstream, and will make its way to Emacs later
today after further testing.

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Re: ERC file names clash in 8+3 filesystems

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Michael Olson <mwolson@gnu.org>
> Cc: mlang@delysid.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:41:43 -0500
> 
> A fix is being tested upstream, and will make its way to Emacs later
> today after further testing.

Thanks!