From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-XXXX and cpXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:50:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137168349 7036 80.91.229.2 (13 Jan 2006 16:05:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 13 17:05:47 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExRQd-0004JP-8A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExRS1-0002NN-Kf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:06:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExOnx-0005rP-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:17:22 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ExNXW-0001X6-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:57:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExNTm-00016Q-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:52:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ExNWi-0001j8-Ja; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:55:29 -0500 Original-Received: from nfs.m17n.org (nfs.m17n.org [192.47.44.7]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0DBo8nl023783; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:50:08 +0900 Original-Received: from etlken (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by nfs.m17n.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0DBo8Vv027573; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:50:08 +0900 Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ExNRX-0006HT-00; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:50:07 +0900 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:52:14 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/22.0.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48991 Archived-At: In article , Eli Zaretskii writes: > Why would non-DOS users need cp1252? why cannot they use windows-1252, > which is the official IANA name of that encoding? > The fact that people get confused by what the Emacs manual says about > this (which I believe is what led us to this discussion) can be taken > care of by fixing the manual. There's no need to modify code for that. > In short, cp1252 is something we invented in codepage.el. So we might > as well retire those cpXXX symbols for good, on all platforms (except > DOS, which must use codepage.el). That is my suggestion: let's remove > cpXXX and cpXXXX aliases from code-pages.el, and let's start educating > users to use windows-XXXX instead. At least cpXXX can't be replaced by windows-XXX. Do you suggest to use the official name ibmXXX instead? But, I've just checked the name cp1252 on google and found this: iconv supports cpXXXX from fairly long ago. CPXXXX are used also in this page: It seems that Java (JVM) also support the name cp1252. So, I think the name cpXXXXs have already acquired citizenship, and thus it is a lack of sophistication not to support the name cpXXXX. Of course, I agree that it is the right thing to somehow merge codepage.el and code-pages.el, and provide the same definition of a coding system to both DOS and non-DOS users. But we don't have a man power to work on it now. --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org