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The general reason to disable commands that use the minibuffer while
in the minibuffer is because recursive minibuffers got many users
confused.  If you're an advanced user who won't get confused by
recursive minibuffers, you can set enable-recursive-minibuffers
to t, and enable them all the time.


So I don't see any reason why these specific commands should
be enabled in the minibuffer _for everyone_ including newbies.