From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Document option tool-bar-mode Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <22534.1134868813@olgas.newt.com> <200512180258.jBI2wrO21007@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200512190524.jBJ5OLu08437@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200512200130.jBK1UQJ24705@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135103584 13235 80.91.229.2 (20 Dec 2005 18:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wohler@newt.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 20 19:33:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EomFe-0003Dj-5W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:30:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EomGY-0002bQ-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EokT3-00009V-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:36:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EokT1-00008R-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:35:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EokT0-00007k-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:35:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EokW9-0000Ff-P7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1EokQB-0004ln-Hh; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:03 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200512200130.jBK1UQJ24705@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:30:26 -0600 (CST)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48097 Archived-At: But at this stage the Customize interface has not even been mentioned. How could a user new to Emacs, who reads the manual back to front, understand this any other way than to set the variable without using Custom? He does not even know about Custom's existence yet. I don't think this is a problem. The user will probably look at the chapter on customization and find various ways to do it. Except that not all of these ways work in this case. The one he probably already knows does not. I should have mentioned that setting `partial-completion-mode' (and `tool-bar-mode') _only_ works when set through Custom. If this case is of that kind, then I agree it should mention M-x customize explicitly.