From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <871x0apnrl.fsf@marant.org> Reply-To: zedek@gnu-rox.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134938596 19676 80.91.229.2 (18 Dec 2005 20:43:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 18 21:43:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo5MY-0002Zg-7A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:42:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo5NM-0007tg-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:43:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo5Mq-0007j2-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:42:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo5Mo-0007iW-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:42:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo5Mo-0007iT-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:42:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.41.184.169] (helo=smtp.gnu-rox.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eo5Pd-000634-DE; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:45:45 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [10.0.0.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gnu-rox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C168BBFD; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:45:16 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zedek by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eo5HH-0005dv-5i; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:07 +0100 Original-To: J?r?me Marant In-reply-to: <871x0apnrl.fsf@marant.org> (message from J?r?me Marant on Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:56:14 +0100) User-Agent: RMAIL/GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48011 Archived-At: From: J?r?me Marant Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Catching-up with Emacs is only necessary because Emacs APIs do >> change, are enriched, and mode authors who mostly use Emacs update >> their software accordly. > > Sure, and your point was? We don't change Emacs just for fun, but t= o > improve it, for users as well as developers. And catching-up means > passing on those improvements. OK, I'm going to explain my point. No offence meant. For end users -- that is, people who use the text editor as a text editor and are not spending time customizing the editor nor editing the editor -- (and being myself an end user) there is not anything really new to expect from Emacs 22. The main point is that GNU Emacs is not _just_ a text editor. GNU Emacs i= s more and more stable, it will provide updates for many modes including gn= us, it will provide many new modes such as EMMS, it will provide bug fixes, .= .. This is what a release should provide: enhancements, new features, stabil= ity and bug fixes. Emacs still does not have the necessary features for competing with bare text editors (I'm not talking about displaying images, reading mail or chating with irc). Hum, I do not see what features you are talking. Emacs is by far the most advanced text editor providing all the coolest features one can expect fr= om such a software. And let's be honest, Emacs is not going to provide any of the nice features that Eclipse provides these days. Can you enumerate few of these nice features=A0? Xavier