From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Let's shut down bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134342185 12674 80.91.229.2 (11 Dec 2005 23:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 12 00:03:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaBe-0001Mf-Lw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaC7-000830-6b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:01:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ela9N-00079T-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ela9K-00077s-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ela9J-00077Z-OZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:58:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElaAw-0000FC-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:00:14 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Ela7r-0007id-47; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:57:03 -0500 Original-To: Alan Mackenzie In-reply-to: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:16:25 +0000 (GMT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47489 Archived-At: gnu.emacs.bug is supposedly a moderated newsgroup. Where does it say that? This group is not moderated, and never was. In years past, I actually used gnu.emacs.bug a fair amount to report bugs and submit feature requests. If I were just getting into Emacs now, I doubt I'd bother, given the state of this newsgroup. I can see why you might hesitate to _read_ a list with a lot of spam, but why, rationally, would the amount of spam affect your decision to post to the list? I don't see how it makes any difference. The list still does its job. I continue to receive this list, and when a useful but report or suggestion comes along, I DTRT with it. There is no reason for people to stop posting to it. Reducing the spam would be useful. One thing we could do to reduce the spam is set things up to reject messages which fail to contain "emacs" in the subject or body. If these rejections send back an auto-reply telling real users what to do, it should not be an inconvenience. In September, I sent an email to postmaster@gnu.org I don't think anyone reads mail to postmaster any more. I was told, several years ago, that this was a general practice on the net. offering to do manual moderation of help-gnu-emacs. I did not know about your request. I might want to take you up on it, but first let's consider that automatic method.