From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: custom-declare-variable Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200507042320.j64NKNe15629@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121102975 14886 80.91.229.2 (11 Jul 2005 17:29:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 11 19:29:33 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds25j-00064r-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:29:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds27J-0004Do-Dr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:30:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds1xX-0008BV-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds1xV-0008Aa-O0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ds1uX-00070E-OH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:17:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ds1hS-00009r-DZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:04:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Ds1XC-0008Jj-UO; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:53:34 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200507042320.j64NKNe15629@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:20:23 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40785 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40785 First of all, the docstring appears to contain a falsehood. From the comment (and from the actual code), it appears that DEFAULT is not _currently_ stored in the standard theme. But the docstring clearly seems to indicate an intent to store it in the standard theme and make standard-value obsolete, which according to the comment, requires a rewrite of defvar and various other primitives. This seems to be completely crazy. There would not appear to be anything wrong with standard-value. I agree. I think it would be best to eliminate the `standard' theme (which currently would normally be empty) and stick with the idea that all enabled themes override the standard values. If not, should we not delete the above comment and remove the (apparently) false claims from the above second paragraph of the docstring: DEFAULT is stored in SYMBOL's property `standard-value'. At the same time, SYMBOL's property `force-value' is set to nil, as the value is no longer rogue. I did that (more or less). Thanks.